I was planning to use a Rio Clouser 5 wgt line on my 5 wgt rods: Fenwick 755, an 8 1/2' granger wm bamboo rod, and a graphite sage ZXL, The line will be used to throw foam poppers and small clousers to trout, bass, picks etc. My other 5 wgt lines are Rio Gold, and Cortland precision clear camo intermediate. Non of which will throw poppers well, I am guessing. What are your thoughts?
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Rio Clouser line on Fenwick 755
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Posts: 5 (03/20/10 21:02:12) |
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Posts: 1225 (03/20/10 21:07:20) |
I like the rio clouser 5wt lines- I've got one and use it with my TFO 5wt
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Posts: 1087 (03/21/10 05:39:38) Administrator |
Great line, I've got the 8wt version. It does run almost a full line weight heavy at 30 feet, so keep that in mind. If you're running a Rio Gold, which is half a weight heavy, the Clouser is just a bit more massive but it has a much more aggressive forward taper (in 8wt, 5wt is probably tamed down a bit). It should be a good choice.
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Posts: 138 (03/21/10 09:56:42) |
Are the Clouse line simuliar to bass bug tapers?
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Posts: 1227 (03/22/10 11:20:21) |
Lanyard Stretcher wrote:very similar. great for throwing heavier -more wind resistant flies. Les |
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Posts: 139 (03/22/10 13:03:25) |
Lanyard Stretcher wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are the Clouse line simuliar to bass bug tapers? Mikevery similar. great for throwing heavier -more wind resistant flies. Les Great! I use my Bass Bug 8wt line on my FF806. It works well for slinging big stuff. Kinda like a Skagit line. Mike
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Posts: 1516 (03/23/10 01:51:50) |
A line with a relatively abrupt forward taper will do that job. Heavy flies are tough on the forward end of fly lines, especially the line to leader connection. That's one reason to reserve an inexpensive line for that purpose. A level 5 weight line, or the inexpensive Cortland 5-weight Fairplay line will probably do the job just as well. The Cortland fairplay casts just as well as the next WF line and costs less than $15.00 . On a medium to slow action rod, the level line may actually cast better with large flies.
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Posts: 218 (03/25/10 06:28:58) |
I use an 8wt Clouser Line on a pretty stout Orvis PM10 I own. I use the 8wt when I want to chuck the BIG Clousers and hair bugs that need some push. It does the job with HEAVY stuff but it can REALLY overload a rod if you try and aerialize a lot of line. I think it would be too much for the Fenwick and Granger, even at moderate distances.
To me, a 5wt is NOT the rod I want to use with really heavy flies that need a big push but I have no problem with a 5 or 6wt using smaller foam or cork poppers, decent sized bushy flies and even a Clouser or two when using ANY decent WF line. The line isn't the issue for me, it's the leader! I have fixed MANY presentation problems that I initially blamed on lines or rods to my propensity to fish a TOO dang long and light leader when fishing bigger flies & poppers. A short stout leader works WONDERS. FWIW - The hands down BEST extreme WF line I ever used is the Cortland 333 Bas Bug Taper. FUBO |
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Posts: 1528 (03/25/10 07:34:25) |
Bingo on the leader thing. People are not only hard on their fly lines, but hard on their rods by using heavy flies on too long leaders, made worse by too light rods. 'Glass rods can take more of this abuse because they slow down the cast and widen the loop with such rigs, and if the hook or weighted end of the fly, or a chunk of split shot ticks the rod tip, or the leader wraps it, they withstand this potential damage better. With graphite rods, people chuck and duck these goofy rigs and, while they avoid hitting themselves in the head, they nick the tip section sometimes. Graphite is easily weakened in this way. Later when the tip section breaks they blame it on the rod and cash in on the lifetime guarantee. Well, they paid $500 dollars or more for a rod that is worth $100, the rest of the price being a rather costly insurance policy. It would be cheaper to rig a short, relatively stiff leader, and cast the stuff with a line weight heavy enough to do the job.
And yes, the old standard Cortland 333 WF lines remain among the best for such tasks, and their basic design was perfected in the 'glass era. The cheaper Olympic and Fairplay from Cortland are very similar. About the time a 'glass rod and those lines won't do the job with a weighted streamer fly, might as well get out a spinning rod and fish with jigs, since that is all those "flies" really are.
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Posts: 19 (03/25/10 13:49:51) |
You know, listening to you fellows talk reminds me of an experience I had about 12 years ago. Up until last year I did a lot of fly fishing in the surf for stripers, blues, weakies and even flounder. I did it for around 15 years and had to quit last year for health reasons. My go-to fly was a red and white clouser with large lead eyes in size 2/0 during the day. At dusk I would switch over to 2/0 Decievers in white or chartruese. Anyway, I was always casting heavy flies in strong wind. I started out using a light rod and tapered leader. Before long I developed tendinitis and thought I would have to give up fly fishing. My casting arm always ached and I had to lay off fishing for a while. Then I decided to buy a 10 wgt rod and an 11wgt saltwater intermediate line. What a difference! My struggles were over and during the last 15 years I have never had a problem. I found that the good old Cortland Big Game intermediate worked great. I don't think Cortland even makes it anymore. This line was cream-colored and nowadays everybody seems to be crazy for clear lines. Anyway, I found that it was a whole lot easier and more enjoyable using a heavier outfit than a lighter one. The big, heavy flies and the wind were no longer a problem and the rig seemed to cast itself. As for a leader, I used a straight piece of 20lb Berkley Big Game about 6 or 7 ft long. Using this rig was effortless because the heavier line and shorter, heavier leader were suitable to the task at hand.
Personally, I would never cast Clousers with anything less than a 7 wgt line. It is just too hard with a light outfit and you will just frustrate yourself and tire yourself out. Although I can cast a #6 Clouser with a 5 wgt line, doing it is not enjoyable and it isn't pretty to watch! |
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