My Fisher was built from a blank by a friend, so it doen't have the normal Fisher appoointments.
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Docbluedevil,
My Fisher was built from a blank by a friend, so it doen't have the normal Fisher appoointments. Peter |
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Lanyard Stretcher |
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gearboy said,
The Light Touch series is a medium-fast rod. I normally like a crisper glass rod and the Light Touch series is too stiff to me. The old Signature Series by Powell is slower and much nicer, to me. The Light Touch, at least my two have softer tips and strong mid and butt sections. I would say medium fast. My Signature Series is more balanced in flex through out the blank. The SS is sweet and easy to cast. The Legacy, the Blue rod was really fast and felt very light. The Legacy was to stiff and expensive for my liking. Mike |
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gearboy |
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Mike, I've given up on graphite, but my favorite and nicest casting graphite rod I've ever fished would be the Powell Signature Series 8034.
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Lanyard Stretcher |
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Mike, I've given up on graphite, but my favorite and nicest casting graphite rod I've ever fished would be the Powell Signature Series 8034
gearboy, I agree with you the SSs are nice. For me it is the LT8034-4 piece. Mike |
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A fascinating review of the graphite favorites before they progressed up through the IM designations. I guess in my first reply I didn't pick up on the interest in "classic" graphite as such, as opposed to graphite rods with a comparatively "slow" action, of which there are many today in the "starter" rod category or in the lower priced blanks in the 30,000 modulus range. The basic type is easy to come by in modern rods. I have an 8 1/2' for 4/5 on a no-name blank that is as smooth, progressive and "slow" as graphite gets.
The comparatively "slow" feel is partly a function of length. Thus in the early days, graphite rods for a given line weight were generally 6'' to 1' longer than a comparable 'glass rod. The better dampening and lighter weight of graphite made these longer rods possible, and while any graphite was stiffer than 'glass, the longer length "slowed" the rod down so it didn't feel too dramatically different. The early Scotts were among the best of the type, and then came the Fisher-made Winstons. Ironically, Fenwick's "HMG" stood for High Modulus Graphite, yet some of those will feel quite slow compared to modern IM-designated rods. I almost turned down a give-away 7 1/2' HMG for 5/6 until I picked it up to discover it felt relatively "slow," more so than a Sage 7 1/2' for 4/5 I have, that is also "slow" for graphite. These are nice comfortable rods to fish. In the late '70s Scientific Anglers lent me a System 5 'glass while I awaited a replacement blank for a System 5 graphite I had built. I enjoyed the 'glass, which they offered as a replacement instead of another blank. Sometimes I wish I'd kept it, but the longer graphite actually had a slower, more progressive feel than the 'glass, so I stayed with the graphite System 5 and fish it to this day. The system graphites of the time weren't the best of their type though, and the more recent no-name 8 1/2' I have is a more refined "slow" graphite rod.
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Jeff, when I think of classic graphite I think of long light line
rods. I really enjoy fishing the older 9' 4WT graphites, especially on western spring
creeks. When rods get that long I think, at least for me, graphite is
the only game in town. Below 8 1/2', I would now never think of fishing
graphite, only glass and maybe bamboo. In my experience, there are two
rods of that length and line weight that owned that segment of classic graphite for years - the G904 Scott and the 9' #4 IM6 Winston. That said, I have no experience with the other classic graphites like the Orvis Superfines, Sages and Powells. I am sure they are fine too. As for price, the Scott G's don't seem to command the prices that the IM6 Winstons do. The Winston IM6 rods seem to be selling very high lately.
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It's not "classic" but my 7'6 2wt Dorber Ultraweave is the slowest, most full flexing, most sensitive rod I have ever cast. Makes my Lamiglass "honey" feel fast by comparison.
David |
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Boo |
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I'd love to try a longer Dorber...8 1/2' for 5 or 6wt.
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JOHN WALLACE.ultralightflyfi... |
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I agree with armyflyfisher as I bought a Dorber rod off another site. It is a 9' 2wt rod. It bends all the way into the handle. It is a slow action rod and a dream to cast but if you cast normal graphite rods you will have to sloooow down and wait. No hurrying here.
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I think there is going to be a trend in graphite rods, back to the slower actions but maybe not all the way to the slow rods of the past. The market is flooded with fast action stiff rods that feel like 7 wt rods labeled as 5wt. The only thing "new" is to have softer action "feel" rods and that may be where they will go.
This already seems to be starting as some folks are saying the Sage XP super rod may have been too stiff (see the George Anderson "5 wt shootout" article, Sage Z-axis section) and that the sage z axis is a softer tip, more feel rod than the XP. Also some are comparing the Sage ZXL to the old LL series- don't know if it's true having never handled one. guess we'll see |
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kbob,
what i find interesting is the view that the XP is super stiff. 9ft 5wt and the 9'6" 6wt are actually quite pleasant casting rods. stiff is the Diamondback Backcountry or the Winston XD, now there are two rods series that simply didn't flex. rich
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kbob, I was looking for medium action multi-purpose graphite rod in the 8'6' 4 weight range as I was not able to find the respected 8'6" 4 wt Diamondglass. Having two now extinct Winstons: 8'6" 5 wt IM6 and 8'6" 3 wt WT, I tried to fall in love with either the BIIT or BIIX new Boron Winstons. But felt the Sage ZXL 8'6" 4 weight in my hands felt better. Now I am sure the Winston Forum will hate hearing this, but this will be my one and only new Sage as I prefer classic slow graphite or new glass. Duff I agree 100% the 2 piece Scott G 9' 4 weight is a special rod.
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JAStrout-
What a coincidence, I am in the process of building both of those Winstons you just mentioned. The 8.5' 5wt is finished and is wonderful. The 8.5' for 3 is a work in progress. please tell me how your winstons compare to your new sage sometime (you can PM). |
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JASTrout wrote:It's understandable that you don't love the Winston boron rods, but what about getting a used Winston IM6 rod? There has to be other modern glass rod builders who make an 8'6" four weight medium action rod besides the Diamondglass. Aren't there? It seems like the fiberglass rod options are increasing every day. |
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Arctic Grayling,
There are builders out there, some are known(Steffen, McFarland, Wojnicki ...) and some that are laboring in relative obscurity. In my area, there is a builder that is producing quality rods in a variety of lengths and weights. I'm inclined for the first time to purchase a 4wt he's producing, it's 7'.9" not 8.5', but it's an outstanding rod. Hopefully there are others. Respectfully rvreclus |
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bikerfish |
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I've got a 9ft 4wt im6 I built years ago on a blank I got on sale, nice casting rod, but I gotta be in the right mood to fish it.
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Like Tonemike, I like the old Fenwick graphite. I have an old Fenwick Eagle 7wt 8'6" graphite rod (made in USA) that is very sweet and slow, and a Fenwick Eagle GLC 9' 5wt (made in Mexico) that is almost as slow, with a nice even bend all the way down to the cork. Once I get into the tempo with the 7 wt, I can hammer the bank from a drift boat with a sink tip and large streamers in even vicious wind. A guide on the Green in Utah commented on how slow the rod is, but he liked it too, after he slowed down his tempo. Both rods are well made, and were not terribly expensive new, back in the day. I have not shopped ebay to see what they go for now, but I would expect them to be low priced.
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Love my Scott G's/Winston WT's but my Tom Morgan rods just about blow everything away and I am sure they will become classics.
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I just don't enjoy casting the super fast graphites all the manufacturers are flooding the market with these days. I have two older Orvis rods, an 8.5 foot, 6 weight, Limestone Special, I bought new in 1979, and an Orvis HLS 7' 9", five weight from 1991 that I still love to fish. Recently, I found a brand new Sage Launch, 905-4 that is going to be a regular with me on the streams. It has a sweet, progressive taper that handles a line very nicely. ALL my graphites, glass and bamboo rods tend to be more on the slower side. I despise the pool cue light rods that are the "rage" these days, with one exception, and that is in very windy conditions in saltwater with heavy flies. But my faster 9 footers for 8 weight lines wear me out after a couple of hours of steady casting.
Bill Anderson, SW Missouri
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I have a mid 80's Berkley Grafite(tm) rod. It is an 8' 6/7wt rod, and I bought it and a Japanese Pfleuger. I don't know if it is a fiberglass graphite mix or what, but it was my first fly rod and I still love it for bluegill/bass fishing.
It is a sweeter rod than many of mine, and indestructible. I also built a 7 piece 3/4wt from a cheap ebay blank (the translucent ones that are always available). It is nice and slow and has a good full flex. Not a classic, but a comfortable rod to fish. Carl |
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