System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:59:46 PST

Hello
P.M. Sent

Tight Lines and Finished Loops
Andy M

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (RCream) — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:27:32 PST

Hi Andy,

Thanks for posting such a nice pictorial tutorial. I found it very informative and am impressed to see how much work went into the rod... truly a labor of love!

If you don't mind, I have a couple of questions: First, where do you buy that fiberglass thread? I am thinking I might like to try using it to wrap over a splintered section of blank. Do you find it to work good for that type of application?

Also, I am very interested in learning more about your Infused Flex Enhancement Process. I'm not sure how I missed reading about it in the past... I guess I'm just not reading all the threads that I should be!

I just finished reading through all the search results for "Infused Flex Enhancement" and "Foam," but did not find all the information I am looking for. It sounds as though the best place to learn about the process was in your profile blog, but I gather that ship has sailed. I would like to know...

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:06:35 PST

Hello
It's Been My Pleasure !
Joe
A Fishing Rod Is Just A Tool In The Hands Of Most, In The Hands Of A True Master Such As Yourself They Become Fine Instruments.

We Spend Allot Of Time Talking About Rods Here, It's The Person Behind The Rod That Makes The Most Difference.

Thanks Again For Letting Me Tune This One For You ,It Was An Honor !

Tight Lines And Tuned Loops
Andy M

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (tonemike) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:39:18 PST

thanks for starting this thread. i always love to see your work andy!!

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feeds@kickapps.com (Cornmuse) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:19:44 PST

All we need now is a pic of Joe with a big grin rod and fish in hand

So far I've managed two of the three - the fish will come soon enough! Thanks for a great rebuild, Andy. I'm looking forward to many years of serious fishing with this stick and I'm pretty sure it will see some far off places and some challenging circumstances. And I've got no doubt the rod is better prepared for the experience than me...

Joe C.

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (taniwha2) — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:22:23 PST

Thanks again for sharing Andy, enjoyed the ride.
All we need now is a pic of Joe with a big grin rod and fish in hand

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Mon, 23 Nov 2009 16:30:41 PST

Hello
Well this pictorial is finished and this will be the last bunch of photo's.

I would like to take this opportunity to mention how much I have enjoyed sharing with all the great people we have here on this site and take the time to thank all the people whom are responsible.

Tom Gould "Mr Fiberglass" my nick name for Tom and all the Administrators for making Fiber Glass Fly Rodders the very special place it is.

Anytime I am asked where to find Rod Building Information ,I send everyone here not because I interact here but because of all of you .
Your willingness to share the diversity of methods featured, the true craftsman we have here is sincerely a gift.

The same is true for Information on Fly Reels and of course our Amazing Fly Tiers.

But most of all I want to thank everyone for all the things I have learned from you all here!
Before I became involved here I appreciated a quality fly reel when I...

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 11:01:40 PST

Hello P
Well there are more than one way to skin a cat and a fiberglass ferrule inserted into the butt through the reel seat is defiantly an option.
One thing that must be considered is dirt getting in and compromising the ferrule fit in either case.

I shared here what works best for me but like I say it may not be the preferred method.

The problem I have encountered in the past with fiberglass or graphite inserted butt extensions is they have a tendency to crack either at the female outer edge or the male section cracks from being improperly seated or dirt has been the culprit.

They are not simple fighting butts and receive tremendous stress during the casting stroke.

I agree that the best case is to just either make them dedicated by putting both handles/grips on the blank or to add a dedicated fixed extension by adding the extension to the butt of the blank and then put the rear grip over the union and forget about it.

...

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (pearow) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:03:13 PST

Well, probably should be a new thread but the problem I find with making an end grip on a switch rod is the tremendous amount of pressure that is exerted during the two hand cast. I am debating whether to use a fiberglass ferrule that is inserted into the butt of the rod, thus thru the reelseat or to simply ferrule the butt of the rod with a metal female and put the male metal ferrule on the extension handle. I know I used a 1/4 inch threaded rod on the last one I made and the pressure broke the epoxy holding the reelseat. So, that has kinda put a hold on the project until I can read more on the building of two handed rods. Course, the solution is to simply put both handles on the rodblank itself, but I want the option of using it one handed-p-

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:21:00 PST

Hello
Thanks P and you know you have said a mouthful if I were to form a list of people willing to help people your name would be at the top.
I really enjoy your posts and they are very informative really good honest stuff full of passion and a willingness to help others.

You and I have butted heads in the past and from that head butting you and I both went away with a better understanding of the craft.
Also from those situations we grew to have a deep respect for one another.

I agree that our site has more valuable information than many other sites that are dedicated to rod building that is a fact plain and simple.

If you go back and read all the post it is truly amazing the stuff that has been covered here and the passion we have all shared.

People contact me all the time people that have never posted on site and they ask questions or thank me for opening up new concepts for them to embrace.
Not to rekindle an old fire...

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (pearow) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:37:40 PST

Andy: I appreciate the difficulty of putting together a pictorial such as the one above and for me, its like a reference book which I use when i encounter problems and fixes such as you've addressed. I have went back and studied your old pictorial on the remake of the (daisy, I believe) many times even though it was submitted several moons ago. Sometimes questions are not asked because the pic speak for themselves and/or because we've not made that journey. I have learned more rodbuilding/rodmaking on this site than on the sites devoted exclusively to it. I continue to learn and look forward to anything/everything members share here. Mostly, I think we are very cordial and respectful on this site. I know I submit stuff which veteran, knowlegeable rodmakers grin to themselves at my lack of knowlege or proficiency but there's folks on here that are less experienced than I am and my comments/thoughts/etc. might help them. So, sometimes you don't know the level of...

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:27:11 PST

Hello
Very well said !
Your comments on how to approach rod building as an assembly process are spot on as well.
Tight Lines and Stay Ever Passionate Loops.
Andy M

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (whrlpool) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:21:59 PST

Consensus and pleasant agreement ensure only one thing: mediocrity. That is why it is the desired norm among the marginally capable and the incompetent. When pleasantry supplants passion, performance always suffers.

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 06:23:30 PST

Hello
I am not going away I am just going to be less visible but you can always contact me with a question people do it all the time.
No worries I am sure we have a dozen experienced people that will be glad to offer advice and are willing to share and take up where I leave off.

I am not the only person that is willing and capable of helping others it happens all the time.
Lots of people come to mind I would list them but I might forget someone and that could cause hard feelings.

Thanks for your comments but I am just one guy, we have many people here that have far more experience than I, that's what makes this a special community not I.

I was told that I am involved with most every blow up they have on this site so my passion is more of a problem to many than an attribute.

One thing I will say is if you fill a room with experienced rod builders eventually a disagreement about something will surface.
I was told this...

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (whrlpool) — Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:57:47 PST

You know, gentleman, Andy has been there done that, so he's a great resource around here. On the other hand, he probably has to fish or work, hopefully in that order, sometimes. But don't be daunted about rod building or by the further range of skills for restoration. In Andy's stuff--and a lot of the other in this section--you are seeing great refinement and various specialty techniques. The way to think of it for starters, however, is rod ASSEMBLING. If you can tie a fly on your tippet, you can assemble a rod that will perform acceptably just by following the basic instructions. That's the easiest way to get started and the cost of kits is worth it just for the entertainment of doing it, including any little mistakes you make and learn from. By your second or third rod, you could have a good shop select/match components to your blank and surprise yourself how well your job comes out.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Spencer DT) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:19:51 PST

This post is bumming me out. Most people on this forum that haven't built a rod before are soaking in all this info, myself included. I am also one of those who don't even know what questions to ask about this project having never built a rod before. I appreciate your efforts and wish you wouldn't just walk away from this forum. Your perspective on rod building and your posts are a big reason this forum is so great. If you are honestly feeling like there are enough others out there willing and passionate about teaching like you do I can tell you your wrong.

Tight Lines and Missed Loops

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Mon, 22 Mar 1926 14:58:42 PST

Hello
John I am glad you are entertained and no I will not share my rod juggling routine ! LOL
Tight Lines and Rat Faced Loops
Andy M

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (ratfacedmcdougal) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:35:44 PST

Hey Andy
Rod looks wonderful and probably better than new. Thanks for the entertainment with this sting of posts.
RFMcD

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Fly Rod D) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 10:10:10 PST

Andy-

Thanks for posting. I have never built a rod, but I hope to soon. I am however a proud owner of one of your rods, so I know the quality of your craftsmanship firsthand.

Thanks for taking the time to post. It takes me forever to post a picture of a silly fly I tied, so I bet this took you a while. Even though I don't really have a clue about how to build a rod, I am sure this post will help me when I decide to take on a project.

Thanks again.

Doug

Re: System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (Andymanyankee) — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:51:44 PST

Hello Chris
I am glad to have been some help to you.
It's Peppers and Squash and man were they hot the peppers that is.
Your very welcome and thank you for recognizing the amount of time that goes into sharing this type of post.
Tight Lines and Your Welcome Loops
Andy M

System 10 Rework, Step By Step Remake Pictorial 8/09

feeds@kickapps.com (OLD YANKEE) — Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:14:10 PST

Hello
As some of you may know I recently finished reworking a Scientific Anglers System 10 for Forum member Joe Cornwall.
Every winter I do a rod building class and I like to use remake projects as teaching aids.
This year I will use the System 10 pictorial for class.
I post the pictorial here as they help the rod tinkers here as well, Also a good reference for my students and it also allows them to learn more about our site.
6 pictures at a time will be added and I will answer questions as they arise.
I hope my work inspires you and helps you in your future projects.
Tight Lines and Reworked Loops
Andy M